By 1967, the horsepower race was on in the
slot world. The 500 size can was being refined to new levels,
with Champion and Mura both making their own
motors instead of buying Mabuchis.
The result was that at any given time, all
commercial rewound motors were approximately the same power.
The Pros could coax a more out of them, but
the average guy had the same power as everyone else.
Several companies took the approach of trying
something different. One of them was Dynamic.
They got GE to modify one of their standard
motors to slot specs, looking for more power and torque
than any rewind on the market. And they got
what they wanted. Unfortunately, it wasn't exactly what they needed!!!!!
The "stock" wind is about 75 turns of 27ga
wire - for about a 0.4 ohm resistance. The peak torque is more than 10
TIMES
greater than Dynamic's own Green Hornet 36D
rewind! Granted, the Green Hornet only has stock magnets,
but even so, the GE is a BRUTE!
All of this torque is developed at relatively low RPM, and therein lies the problem.
Tom Malone did a comprehensive article on the
GE motor in the September 1967 issue of Car Model Magazine.
Check out the Motor
Article Search Index to read the whole thing.
He discusses the big problem with the GE Motor:
excessive "brakes".
The high torque, low RPM, big strong magnet
approach yields a car that stops abruptly, in a "tail-out" attitude.
Malone talks about using "taller" gearing
(2.5:1) to try to get the car to coast more.
He also got the revs up by going to
a much hotter than stock, 40 turns of 28ga double wind.
But the results didn't change that much.
Let's take a look at this motor (Click on photos to see larger size):
Dynamic offered both an inline and sidewinder
frame for this motor.
The sidewinder version needed an idler gear
for clearance,
since it was set up as a true sidewinder,
not an anglewinder “Big Jack” Garcia,
head of Team Dynamic briefly campaigned the
inline version in the Pro wars,
with minimal success.
Here are drawings of the frame from the 1967
Dynamic Catalog:
I’ve run one of the inlines, and it had a nasty habit of plowing straight ahead when you wanted it to turn!
These were made available in a few RTR’s – here’s my Dodge Charger – Low, Wide and Warped!
After re-reading all of this, and thinking
about it for awhile, I think I would have
taken a different approach. I'd want to reduce
the power & torque, while raising RPM.
First I would try to decrease the effectiveness
of the magnetic field. Since the magnets
are molded into the can, I would skim the
armature diameter to open up the air gap.
Since the magnetic attraction between objects
is inversely proportional to the square of the distance,
opening the air gap by .0025" would result
in a 1/3 decrease in the magnetic effect.
After re-reading all of this and Gary’s letter,
and thinking about it for awhile,
I think I would have taken a different approach.
I'd want to reduce the power & torque, while raising RPM.
First I would try to decrease the effectiveness
of the magnetic field. Since the magnets
are molded into the can, I would skim the
armature diameter to open up the air gap.
Since the magnetic attraction between objects
is inversely proportional to the square of the distance,
opening the air gap by .0025" would result
in a 1/3 decrease in the magnetic effect.
Next, I’d go to a milder wind than stock. Try
29ga wire – maybe 85 turns. Don’t balance the arm yet.
See if this makes the car a little more drivable.
If there is improvement, try another wind with more turns of 30 ga wire.
Once you find what gage wire seems to help,
then I’d go with a double wind equivalent of this gage.
In my own winding experience, I’ve always
found that a double wind increases RPM and decreases torque.
Remember that you go 3 wire sizes smaller
( i.e. double 33 equals single 30) for the same overall resistance.
Well, that’s about it. If anybody has any other
thoughts or experience, I’d love to hear what you have to say.
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Dynamic / GE Motor Parts List:
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Originally 45T of 27Ga Wire, then 40T of 26 Ga Wire; Dynamically Balanced |
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Dynamic Frames for GE Motor:
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Dynamic 1/24 Cars:
All featured the DynaFlex Die-cast aluminum
Inline Chassis
& GE Silver Hornet Motor #208 ("Stock"
version)
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Please e-mail your comments and suggestions to:
greg@vsrnonline.com
Copyright 2003 Gregory P. Holland / VSRN